Probably one of the finest burns in internet history

Or as I like to call them. Crazy Christians.

hey dude I'm a Christian and you don't see me doing that.

They don't "do" anything. They're being themselves as opposed to limiting themselves to these cages so as to please every one else. And, yes, because straight people are ALWAYS such great parents. It's not like straight people are abusive or unresponsible or anything. It's not like straight people give up their children for whatever reasons. But homosexuals, if they truly want to have kids, they have to plan it out and decide and they WANT the kid as opposed to just being stuck with them. Also, there are plenty of species of animals in nature that are homosexual. So don't start the "it's not natural" speech, because that's bull. You can't just be straight. You can't just be attracted to the opposite sex. It doesn't work like that. Gay men can't just kiss a woman and be suddenly attracted to her. They can't turn it on and off or anything, they can't choose. If they could, there would be a lot less gay people in the world because they would be sick of the ignorance and hate they receive.

alright 69. you listen up. right.now. I don't give a flying fuck what religion you are, but you are delusional if you think you're saying anything reasonable. Could you be gay for a year? no. i'm sure your response will be no, my sexuality is part of who I am, I can't change that. The same is true for gay people. It's not that they should be able to face scrutiny, the scrutiny should not be there, they should be treated equally. And for future reference, being homosexual isn't unnatural. there are many species of animal which have reports of homosexuals in them. Only one species has had reports of homophobia in them. And it's humans. As well as this, you should know that gay men can do 'normal' things, and there is no reason whatsoever that homosexuality should be eradicated by natural selection in a few years. it's been here since the start. Now I'm not going to tell you what do to or anything, but this is the main fact. IT IS NOT A CHOICE. If it were a choice, explain why people are

beaten up for it, yet still they cry themselves to sleep because they know they can't change it. Whether you think it's a choice or not is irrelevant.their love is the same as straight love and they don't choose who they fall in love with or what sex they fall in love with either.. I don't ever want to see your vile comments here again. Goodbye.

Me and who cares already sorted him out ( if you're feeling brave read are Intire convo )

Honey, they don't "magically turn gay." They've always been gay but might have not realized it or they just finally came out of the closet. There's nothing magical about it.

What outside influences?
Anyways, people of every sexuality, race, age, religion, etc. do that. There's always those people who act as though their problems are the only problems. You can't label that to a specific group. Also, what do you mean " . . . and they cannot hope hence be gay"? People don't just turn gay when they can't cope with something. They've always been gay.
How are gay people looking for attention? I mean, stereotypical gay men DO tend to be very flamboyant and loud and such, but that's a stereotype. They have little to do with reality.
You can't just be normal. Trust me, plenty of people WISH they were normal, but they can't just turn on the normal switch in their brain to make them ordinary. I mean, they can hide their extraordinary-ness, but that doesn't make them normal. They're still extraordinary under it all.
Also, don't be sorry. It's your opinion, even if I don't agree. The only problem I would have with you is if you started calling homosexuals "fags."

Okay, gay guys being into fashion and gossip and just overall feminine is a stereotype, so no. Guys making passes at women isn't part of the human life cycle. Sure, men being AROUSED by girls or finding them attracted is natural, but they don't have to make a big spectacle of it. Anyways, I probably wouldn't start a relationship with a guy who makes a pass at me. I'd be more disgusted and then turn away. And just because you're a Muslim doesn't really explain why you dislike gay people, unless you're saying it's because of your religion and it's written in the Quran or something. I know plenty or Muslims who really don't have a problem with gay people. Well, they thought about coming out of the closet, which is completely different. They're thinking of revealing who they are, not thinking about "hey, I want to be gay!" I doubt they'd be in the closet in the first place if they really wanted to be homosexual. And, like I said, you don't really decide you're gay. Certain events cause the

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cause them to realize they're gay. Anyways, I do believe in coincidences, but I do also believe that everything IS connected in someway or another. Is that bad?

Well, first of all. If I came up to a gay person and asked me why they "decided" to be gay, I'm sure they would get pissed off and yell at me because it's not a choice. Anyways, being gay is how your brain functions. Being gay means you're attracted to the same sex. For example, you see an attractive person on the street who's the same gender as you. But instead of it being "oh, they're handsome" or "oh, they're cute" in an objective kind of way, you're attracted to them. A little trigger in your brain causes your pupils to dilate (an action which you can't control and which signifies heightened arousal) and for your breath to become slightly quicker. You may not ever see that person again or you may not actually do anything to show your attraction, but you ARE attracted to them. It's the same thing with same-sex couples who are in love. "Love" is a chemical reaction process in the brain. One which you CAN'T control. If we delve enough into it, it can all be brought back to science.

Where was I contradicting myself.
It's how they develop, I believe. Some people's minds develop to be be straight, some develop to be homosexual. Again, homosexuality isn't a choice.

They don't tell themselves lies so much that they believe they're gay. I've already explained (albeit somewhat horribly) the science of it. You're just ignoring it.
Anyways, animals in nature are homosexual. Anyways, saying opposites attracts and likes repel doesn't apply to everything, especially when you're talking about humans. And straight people can reproduce but they can also be horrible parents. At least if homosexuals become parents, they actually want to be.
Anyways, I'm not Christian so I don't believe in Adam and Eve and I hate the saying "man and wife." I think it should be husband and wife, not man and wife. That sounds sexist. Anyways, I don't think everyone was meant to be gay, and not everyone was meant to be straight. I think straights are here to reproduce and that homosexuals are here so that we don't overpopulate. It's a good system, I think.

Good point. Well, I suppose I don't believe in coincidences then. It's true that I usually see the meaning behind things, but I guess coincidences are usually so small that I can't see any purpose behind them. It would have to be further explained.

Okay, that's bullshit. True, scientists believe that AIDs and HIV started with chimpanzees and then humans ate infected meat and it spread. Anyways, not exclusively gay people spread the disease. After all, straight people have sex too.

Bisexual people aren't confused, they're attracted to both sexes. So I suppose you could say they're half straight and half gay (but that seems incredibly offensive for some reason).
Anyways, while swearing does tend to seemingly lower the intelligence of an argument (it doesn't, but it seems like it does), she's right. Your spelling is horrendous, but you gave us the phone explanation, so that's understandable.
Also, in no way did I ever make any assumption as to "knowing you" because I don't and I really don't care about you, but I do care about defending my opinions against yours. That's different.
By the way, I'm not going to ask anyone why they chose to be gay. I gave you a simple explanation as to why being homosexual is not a choice and you completely ignored it, so I'm not going to ask such an offensive question when I've already provided an answer.

No. To me, you're annoying because you're rude, close-minded, ignore logic and reason, and very ignorant. That has nothing to do with "being right", besides, this is a debate based on opinions. There is no "right" when it comes to opinions.

We are born like this way, we should be treated with respect, stop looking down at us as though there is something wrong with us. It isn't your business, you aren't gay, so can't tell us that it is our choice. Most of us wouldn't choose to be disowned, or attacked, or be told that we need to be fixed, or staying in the closet for years because our friends talk about how gays should burn in hell. We don't choose to be the focus for hate crimes, or being treated as filth, or not being able to marry the people we love, or coming to a family reunion to hear your family say that homosexuality is just like pedophilia and bestiality. Did you know that in Arizona a business owner can refuse you service if you are gay? Do you know how much that hurts? We don't choose that, but I am not going to be ashamed of who I am. You can't make us feel ashamed because you don't understand. Btw, bisexuals are born that way too. I can speak for most gays right now, and say this ' Please, educate yourself'.

You wanted a gay to answer your questions, I would probably be your best bet. If you have questions ask away. I would be happy to educate. This offer is for everyone.

Exactly. You can't control all the various chemicals that are released that create love. If you could, we would have mastered other diseases like depression which is caused by a dopamine deficiency.

You reply to all my posts in the nicest of ways and I love you for that

:) You're too kind. Don't worry, I'm usually not a bitch unless it's warranted or I'm stressed. I try to be civil and keep level-headed and logical, but it obviously doesn't always work. Anyways, you are very intelligent and I admire your thoughtful ideas and comments, so I try to be intelligent and thoughtful (while also kind) in turn.

Your question has been answered with science, yet you refuse to accept it.

Ugh. You don't decide to be gay. Anyways, I consider myself to be pansexual, so would that suffice for you?

Or sapiosexual, if we're to get down to that. But I'm not sure if that's an actual thing.

Pansexual is when you don't care about the gender, sapiosexual is attracted to someone's intelligence or mind, so I'm both. I really don't care if you're a boy or a girl because the thing I find most sexy and beautiful is a brain.
Anyways, emperorpenguin is pretty awesome and he/she's actually intelligent enough to acknowledge this fact, so that automatically makes them cooler. Besides, it wasn't really that comment that made me like (not "like" like a crush, but "like" as a fellow individual) emperorpenguin. It was that comment plus a bunch of others they made which showed me that he/she is pretty awesome.
And I don't know how you got to, "you can just be a person who dislikes anyone who opposes you," because that's not true. If someone has a differing opinion on some topic, I may debate it and present my view, but that doesn't mean I dislike them. I had a friend with whom I disagreed with her views on homosexuality. She wasn't against it, per se, but she was raised by homophob

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homophobes, so she had a bit of a twisted understanding of them. Anytime we would get on the topic, we would either change the conjecture or we would rationally present our arguments and alter our own ways of thinking. Hell, some of your comments have caused me to think for a bit and has given me a broader understanding of homophobes in general.

Thanks I have never had any one be so kind too me befor p.s I'm a boy

:) It's no problem. I'm willing to be kind to anyone who's even mildly awesome. (P.S. I'm girl, if you were wondering.)

My God. It's not flirting, it's being kind. And it's through the Internet, so he could be some middle-age porn addict (no offense, emperorpenguin, just being rational). Anyways, I wouldn't "choose" to do things the "natural" way if I was in a straight relationship. I would like them for who they are and I would date them. I don't chose who I have a crush on (actually, I've never had a crush, which is a bit odd).

I couldn't I don't were she lives who she is for all I know she could be 21 after all I'm only 14

I'm guessing you live in America cause it's 3 o'clock here

Oh man, I hope he's not American. Just another shitty representative of the country I was born in.

We'll if she is awesome on the internet and weird in real life then I would have an easy time liking her

I don't really think I'm weird, but others do. I do have rather unconventional opinions on a lot of things. But I rarely voice these opinions/views/beliefs, so most people don't have a chance to judge whether or not I'm odd. It's just as well. I'd rather read than deal with most of the vapid humans that dwell in the likes of my school (haha, that was a bit of an interesting sentence).

Yeah, when you type (or really just writing in general, for me) I have time to think things through and I have visuals and I can revise and edit and all that jazz and it sounds better. When I'm talking, it just gets all screwed up and I forget my original point and I can't look back to see what I was talking about and, myself as well, my temper sometimes gets out of control.
Scientists can be politicians. In fact, I think it would better if scientists WERE politicians because that way they would look at the cold, hard facts as opposed to resorting to other idiotic excuses and, if we're looking at the stereotypical scientist, then they would be completely unbiased in their actions (well, up to a certain point). I think Neal Tyson Degrasse was talking about this as well. About how the government is made up completely of lawyers and judges and just law professions in general (which makes sense, it is politics after all) and that he thinks there should be other professionals in there a

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as well. But, at the moment, I don't really know. I have a million different dreams and visions for my life and I've yet to come to a choice. I might somehow mash them up all together, but that seems unlikely.

Thanks for the advice.
Yeah, that's something I worry about often. Or just not fulfilling my dreams and aspirations in general and resorting to becoming a suburban housewife (I don't have any problem with housewives, it's just definitely not the life for me). But there are tons of things I want to do, as I said.
It reminds me of one quote that I like (I saw it on zenpencils.com the other day), it goes:
"I saw my life branching out before me like the green fig tree in the story. From the tip of every branch, like a fat purple fig, a wonderful future beckoned and winked. One fig was a husband and a happy home and children, and another fig was a famous poet, and another fig was a brilliant professor, and another fig was Ee Gee, the amazing editor and another was Europe and Africa and South America, and another fig was Constantin and Socrates and Attila and a pack of other lovers with queer names and offbeat professions, and another fig was an Olympic lady crew champion, and beyond an

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and beyond and above these figs were many more figs I couldn't quite make out. I saw myself sitting in the crotch of this fig tree, starving to death, because I couldn't make up my mind which of the figs I would choose. I wanted each and every one of them, but choosing one meant losing the rest, and, I sat there, unable to decide, the figs began to wrinkle and go black, and, one by one, they plopped to the ground by my feet." - Sylvia Plath
It was originally written in her novel The Bell Jar (set in the 1950's) to show the character's, Esther, frustration at society and restrictions it set upon women and how she wanted to do all the exciting things men did, but she felt forced to conform. Obviously that's not what it means to me, but it holds true in the way that I have all these options for my life and I just don't know what to choose.

That's the thing, I have no idea. But I'm still young. For now, I'll just worry about my homework that's due on Monday and that I'm probably not gonna due. . . . Forever the procrastinator. :P

I like how this was a massive argument about sexuality, then just suddenly switched to careers and school :p

Hey, I don't hold grudges. If the conversation switches to such things, I will be civil and respond appropriately even if we were at each others' throats just a little while ago. :)

Exactly. If it comes up later, who knows? Maybe there will be another battle while you guys sit back and eat some popcorn. As for now, we're just letting it be.

I would suggest not falling in love with me. I'm rather odd and weird and I'm often difficult to be with. . . . Imagine Sherlock Holmes (because his personality is almost exactly like me), just a bit weirder, less pronounced with my impulsions, and not nearly as clever. That's me in a nutshell.

Are you kidding me? I WISH I was a guy. Life would be so much easier to deal with.

Nah, I would mainly just revel in the fact that I would no longer have periods and I could completely bypass that two week (sometimes three week) hell. Oh man, the things I could do.

And I'd be able to pee standing up, which would make camping and hiking easier. And just walking around town in general.

Nah, it's not that men are great. I mean, there are great men and women but I'm not gonna generalize. I'm just saying that men have several physical, bodily perks that would make daily life so much easier.
And if there's a woman behind every great man, then who (or what) is behind every great woman? A man? A child? A cat? For me, it'd probably be the cat.

I think experiences have an impact on how most people think. I think women sometimes let the small situations affect them more, because I think a lot of women just naturally think over things more (sometimes over thinking). But men can too.

Nope, not always. I think it's more the reaction to over thinking that's bad. For example, if someone over thinks something and thinks their partner is cheating on them from some obscure piece of information, then they might get overly jealous and possessive and protective and they wouldn't trust their partner. But they might also realize that it is a completely absurd possibility and ignore it. Some might have a reaction in between. It just depends on how you deal with it.

Is that how men talk?

Well, you can't really define it that way. While a lot of men may think in that manner, I'm sure considerable amount don't. I know a few women who think along the same lines of what I just expressed. That is to say, they don't go jumping to conclusions if they get suspicious of their partner's loyalty. But not all women are like that, so you can't define women as that either.

I dont think they're saying that they're a Christian and believe homosexuality is okay, I think they're coming from where I'm coming from. Where I don't think it's right, I'm a Christian and believe in my savior and what our law says, but I love the sinner more than I hate the sin.. God calls us to love the sinner but hate the sin, that doesn't mean we hate the person, we still love them but we don't have to agree with their lifestyle choices just like they don't have to agree with ours. That is why we have our founding freedoms and such.

Homosexuality isn't a choice.

Being attracted to who you're attracted to isn't a choice. Even if it was, why would someone choose the path where tons of people hate them and they have to worry about violent homophobes or if their family might disown them? Why would someone choose to be treated so horribly? I bet a lot of homosexuals wish or have wished that they were straight and normal just to avoid people like you.

Same reason people choose to be hated for their choices or actions. I love choir and all things music. I'm a big fanatic. I choose to love it and show I love it and be ridiculed rather than hide what I love, also- boys and girls get teased and made fun of all the time for who they like; my boyfriend and I faced that before we started dating. He was teased constantly about me but we got through it because we knew our choices had consequences and if we loved something enough we would deal with those consequences.

Not that I agree with everything 69muz69 is saying... Some of it I don't understand others I don't necessarily agree with or don't see the logic behind, but I don't have a problem with gay people, just the sin of homosexuality itself. But I don't think being gay is any worse than lying or cheating or stealing. The bible says no sin is worse than another which means homosexuality is just as bad as what all other people, including Christians because we are all sinners, do. My grandmother is also gay, I still love her and have no problems with her as a person. I just don't agree with her choices, especially since she was previously married and had sex and had 2 children. It is most definitely a choice, but it's just like lying or any other thing that's wrong. Homosexuals aren't any worse than any of us.

Okay, that is way different and not what I was talking about at all. First of all, you already loved choir and you can't change that. You just chose to be open and indulgent of it. If you hadn't chosen to be open about it, you would still love choir, wouldn't you? So that's not what I was saying at all. What I was saying if you could choose to be straight or homosexual, without any prior preferences or biases, why would you choose homosexuality? I'm not saying why would you choose to be open about your homosexuality, just why would you "choose" homosexuality if it was an option?
And, ugh, you obviously don't understand. Being gay is not a choice. It is not something you do and wake up one morning saying "Hey, I'll be homosexual!" that's bullshit. Also, by what you're saying, being homosexual is equivalent to the sin of murder?
Anyways, homosexuality isn't a choice. Choosing to be open and to practice your homosexuality is a choice, but not being homosexual.

I'm sorry your an idiot, you can't spell for shit and it's people not ppl and cause not cuz, you fucken inbred idiot.... Also I'm bisexual and I am damn sure I didn't choose to lose all my friends who are close minded fucktards like you. Instead I received a loving boyfriend who understands my sexual desires for females and allows me to explore and a loving family of friends who would love me no matter what. People like you are bitter and are just upset you can never have as much love as the rest of the open minded and heart people. Also just because I feel SORRY for your ass, I will pray for you to be slapped by god with a bible to make you understand it's not a choice, it's not a sin, and fix your inability to spell correctly. Yours truly, Mizuki Azawa
P.s. Feel free to kiss my ass and go down if you're a female, you might even enjoy it. If male try anal, even straight men enjoy it.

While I agree with you, 69muz69 is a Muslim. I just felt the need to point that out before he (presuming he is a he) corrected you in his much more obnoxious way. Also, I suggest not picking a fight with him. He's quite annoying and ignores most logic, so it's nearly impossible to reason with him.