She needs to learn to cook..not all vegan dishes are disgusting and bland, a lot of them can actually be very satisfying. That's wrong though, forcing your kid or anybody into whatever you're doing. Hopefully she's finding other good sources of protein, calcium, and all that other stuff a growing body needs
It's a bit loaded. It's literally a parents job to not only try to teach and instill what to their best knowledge are healthy eating habits, but to instill and teach morality. The child may or may not reject the parents ideas, and it's wrong to try and keep them from developing as a person, but I don't see a parent running a vegan house hold as any more wrong than a parent forcing a child to eat eat foods they don't like, or not allowing their children to own fur or watch movies they don't approve of, or a Muslim/Jewish/Adventist parent not serving a child pork. I don't personally vibe with veganism for many reasons, but different people have their ways. So long as the child is receiving the nutrition they need to grow and be healthy, what a parent serves to eat and why is their business until the child is an adult and can do as they like. Of course they can also rebel on their own as they like too.
That's a very good point. I don't think a vegan household is wrong as long as the child is healthy and getting proper nutrition. I just don't like the idea of forcing something like that on others...if it's a religious thing that's different, but to force your kid to be vegan just because is not wrong, just something I don't agree with I guess because Veganism can be healthy but it can also be very unhealthy if you're not making sure your getting all your nutrients. So I just hope she's smart enough to do just that. I've known a lot of people who try vegamism thinking it's just cutting out animal products, and their health declines because they're not supplementing or researching the food they do eat
It's likely there's adjustment. Heck, most people have issues eating any food they aren't used to or making any big dietary changes. I don't see how there's a difference between forcing a belief on a child because of religion, and forcing them because you feel it's right. The main difference is a religion has many people, but Jedi is a legal religion so I'm pretty sure there are enough vegans they could become a religion if they wanted to. I whole heartedly agree though that it takes extra effort and research to maintain a vegan diet while making sure you get everything you need nutritionally. It's an engineered man made diet consisting largely of processed engineered foods which don't have the mass consumption and history of more conventional diets. I personally do not support vegan diets but am fine with people living how they choose more or less. That said- I don't think a cheeseburger is the most nutritionally sound food item on its own either.
No, you're right, I agree there's no difference. I didn't mean to say that there was. I guess a religious excuse to not eat something would be a little more understandable to me than just one day deciding to go vegan and making your kid do it too, since most vegans claim it's healthier but as long as you have a healthy non vegan diet there isn't really a difference.
Kind of a funny story..I was vegetarian when I met my husband. On our first date I was nervous about what he would think of me being vegetarian, so I decided I would order chicken strips and a salad and only have a bite or two of the strips. I took one bite of the chicken and it was so f*ing tasty I scarfed them all down. He sat there gawking at me like Wtf. I finally told him it was the first time I had eaten meat in 8 years and it was delicious. I paid for it later..it was so embarrassing. It took me months to be able to eat a full serving of meat
Lol. I'm glad your funny story turned into a sweet story thanks to the happy ending. Sure, we don't all have to eat meat at every meal, or a half a cow wrapped in duck fried bacon for dinner, but man- I have never wrapped my head around Veganism. My friends wife converted. First she didn't care he wasn't. Then she said he could only eat meat with his friends. Then we couldn't eat meat in the house. Then he couldn't eat meat at all and was vegan too. The first few times I ate vegan food.... man. It was unpleasant after. If I'd stay a few days with them though it got easier. Now ten years later or so if my I am out with someone and they choose vegan I still sometimes have issues after, but not as often and not nearly as bad despite only eating vegan food very rarely.
We are often quick to forgive the same slight when that slight is against that we find unpopular. Would he be a hero if the child's mother didn't let them have junk food and he gave the kid a twinky? What about if she wouldn't let him smoke weed and they hit a bowl together? What if she wasn't a vegan and the child said they wanted to be, would the parent be obligated to provide vegan dishes so as not to force their way on their child? Should parents not teach their children things like sharing or manners which are culturally specific and the parents ideas may not be the same as the child's or a neighbors parent? Would you be upset if you told your child they couldn't do something and found out that behind your back someone you trusted with them was countermanding you instead of discussing it and respecting your decisions to raise your child?
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1. A child shouldn't be blazing it, and nor should a parent near the child(most weed is laced anyways), nor should they give them nothing but junk food. That leads to childhood obesity, which is a large problem in the US.
2. I'm pretty sure everyone would be mad if a trusted one helped a child rebel against their wishes.
1. Agreed. But in fact at 11 many do and are. So that's relative. Which is the point. I would be WAY more upset if someone gave my child weed than some food I wasn't ok with, but I'm sure there are people who would feel the opposite. I didn't say nothing but junk food, I said if they didn't let them have junk food at all and someone gave them junk. The crux there is junk is relative too. Some consider pizza food while others call it junk food.
2. That's kinda the point. We may applaud when it happens to someone else but when it happens to us we don't see that person as a hero anymore. The belief isn't as important as the fact that to you it is right- you think you're doing what is best, and it's something you find important. We won't all agree on what is right or what is important, so instead of framing it as a victory for what we believe we should see it as a defeat of another's beliefs that are no less valid than ours even if different or conflicting.
As a vegatarian, I find this behaivor from parents postively revolting. A child needs meat to grow, and you can't force your own ideal on them either. You're a vegan, fine, let your child eat what they NEED to grow.
A child doesn't need meat, but they do need a diet that consists of enough vitamins, proteins, carbs, fats that they will eat to help maintain proper health.
The stories you hear about the fringe idiot vegans giving their infants no formula/breast milk/dairy is child abuse, yes. A balanced diet with meats and dairy and vegetables/fruits is easiest to find the right mix.
If she's going to force veganism on her child then she needs to consult with a pediatrician, a nutritionist, and learn how to cook things that he'll eat.
It's just as easy to find junk things for you that are vegan (most Bac'n/bac'o bits [textured veggie/soy protein, salt, and smoke], Duncan Hines icings, Jello instant pudding mix, Ritz crackers + PB & J, icing free poptarts, nutter butters, granola bars, krispy kreme fruit pies, Speculoos cookie butter, BK & ChickFilA fries, chipotle sofrita). Not saying he should be given a diet consisting of just these but they're easy to point out things that aren't "bland"
I mean I can understand cooking and shopping for your diet at home, but letting your kid make their own decisions outside of that. For example my fiance is pescatarian so I only cook fish or vegetarian meals but if we were out at a restaurant and our future kid wanted chicken, we wouldn't have an issue with it.
I think this would only fall under abuse if he was malnourished/not gaining weight etc.
I agree. But honestly- personally I think within reason having kids make choices is an important step to making intelligent well adjusted adults. So many kids now days complain no one taught them taxes or xyz- and they never thought to ask or didn't seem to know how to get that information despite having the internet. I'm not putting it on them. Not everyone has certain natural talents or inclinations and that's ok. To me that's a sign of being raised in a way where you weren't taught how to ask questions and take responsibility/control for your own life and decisions. That's just my way though. To each their own and I could be wrong. If you wanted to raise your kids pescatarian that's your business. If they don't like it they can rebel or wait until they are on their own to choose what they think is best. Teaching your kids your beliefs and teaching that other people are wrong, or worse for theirs aren't the same things.
Kind of a funny story..I was vegetarian when I met my husband. On our first date I was nervous about what he would think of me being vegetarian, so I decided I would order chicken strips and a salad and only have a bite or two of the strips. I took one bite of the chicken and it was so f*ing tasty I scarfed them all down. He sat there gawking at me like Wtf. I finally told him it was the first time I had eaten meat in 8 years and it was delicious. I paid for it later..it was so embarrassing. It took me months to be able to eat a full serving of meat
2. I'm pretty sure everyone would be mad if a trusted one helped a child rebel against their wishes.
2. That's kinda the point. We may applaud when it happens to someone else but when it happens to us we don't see that person as a hero anymore. The belief isn't as important as the fact that to you it is right- you think you're doing what is best, and it's something you find important. We won't all agree on what is right or what is important, so instead of framing it as a victory for what we believe we should see it as a defeat of another's beliefs that are no less valid than ours even if different or conflicting.
The stories you hear about the fringe idiot vegans giving their infants no formula/breast milk/dairy is child abuse, yes. A balanced diet with meats and dairy and vegetables/fruits is easiest to find the right mix.
If she's going to force veganism on her child then she needs to consult with a pediatrician, a nutritionist, and learn how to cook things that he'll eat.
It's just as easy to find junk things for you that are vegan (most Bac'n/bac'o bits [textured veggie/soy protein, salt, and smoke], Duncan Hines icings, Jello instant pudding mix, Ritz crackers + PB & J, icing free poptarts, nutter butters, granola bars, krispy kreme fruit pies, Speculoos cookie butter, BK & ChickFilA fries, chipotle sofrita). Not saying he should be given a diet consisting of just these but they're easy to point out things that aren't "bland"
I think this would only fall under abuse if he was malnourished/not gaining weight etc.