Actually I recently watched a documentary about how women around the world (the movie dealt mainly with India and China) were forced either by their families or by the government to have abortions unwillingly.
All sorts of things happen. Both of these examples were somewhat likely to of happened at one point, but we can't dismiss either because the near opposite happens. Either way, we should be fighting to give the woman a say in the matter.
Because clearly women have no say, considering that only white male landowners can vote or make decisions in general, including when to have sex and when to say no.
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It's a woman's decision to keep her child. That's it.
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Some people are too young to carry and give birth to a baby without losing a lot of opportunities in their life. Some people just can't handle it, for health reasons or whatever. Maybe they can't afford the baby. And that's fine.
Would you rather a child grow up in a family unable to provide for it? Would you rather it becomes an "accident" that the parent is unwilling to care for? That's how child abuse happens. Do you want that?
And there are already millions of children in foster care already. Why add to that number?
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Let it be.
The issue here isn't whether life starts at conception or not. By scientific standards, it is technically living at that point, as we also consider bacteria alive, which are in some cases, less complex than an embryo. What we should be debating is whether or not that small life is more important than the mother who was unwillingly forced to conceive the child. I understand there are some cases where the woman is forced to have an abortion, but in that case we shouldn't be fighting against abortion itself, but instead fighting against forcing a woman to abort. Whether we are fighting against forced abortion or allowing a woman to have an abortion, there is a common theme. That theme is whether a woman should be allowed control of her own body or not.
I would guess because it's already developed and out of the womb. But depending on the stage of the unborn baby it would depend. Because if it was JUST conceives then it wouldn't be much, but if you're like due any day now then it would pretty much be a whole baby.
As I've said multiple times, we shouldn't be arguing about whether it's alive or not. It's alive, just like every other cell of a woman's body. At conception, though, it's just part of her body. A lump of cells attached to her uterus. It's her decision to do what she wants with it.
but it's not like every cell in her body; it's a new, unique combination of chromosomes that can never be recreated. It's not her now, it's someone else
Half of those chromosomes are hers. The other half is the father's, and if she really needs an abortion, I'm sure both would agree. Beyond that, it's still attached to her and part of her. By your logic, you could consider the egg or the sperm itself to be an entirely different person, since they only have half the chromosomes present in the body. Or, you could consider identical twins to be the same person, since they have the same chromosomes.
My god, more abortion posts? It's FUNsubstance! No matter what side of the issue you are on, abortion is never "fun". And, more importantly, all these posts do is set off a whirlwind of arguing in the comments, even though no one is ever going to change anyone else's mind. So why post this, especially since it's been posted multiple times in the past? It doesn't do any good. End rant.
Are you the one pregnant with the embryo?
No.
Are you any way connected to the embryo?
No.
So there for it is in fact none of your damn business what someone else does with their body. And it should honestly just be left at that.
People need to realise that abortions are not taken lightly by the parents and can be very traumtic. But in some cases its just neccessary, theres no point bringing a child into the world if it doesnt have a chance of happines.
This is a sooo not true. There are plenty Of women who have abortions because their babies have diseases and aren't viable for life. And for other reasons out of their control. Educate yourself before you spew nonsense that isn't true
Regardless, I won't be getting one. I can't for I am male. If you want one go for it. I was merely trying to be annoying and it seemed to have worked. Tehe. But in all seriousness? I am against it but my opinion doesn't matter is such an argument because I am male.
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You can't argue with science which has definitively stated life starts at conception.
Life is life. It's living. Bacteria are living, yet they are much different. We don't care that much about them. Yet some types of bacteria are very important, such as those in your digestive tract. Trees, plants, and animals are important and living, yet many seem to not care about them either. Also, the many homeless in our world are also living, yet we don't care as much about them as we should, seeing as many of them are still homeless. What about the mothers that are forced to give birth to a baby that was unwillingly placed in them? They are living, yet they are forced to give their lives taking care of a child they were not prepared for. They aren't given the supplies to care for them either. We'll talk about "life" when these people get "life" as well.
Your child could live a horrible life knowing their parents abandoned them. Some kids don't get adopted, or get horrible foster parents. Although it's possible that your child will have a perfectly fine life after being put up for adoption, I wouldn't want to chance it with my child. Adoption is an option if need be, but it's still a horrid option. In this situation, you have to pick the lesser of the many evils. Abortion isn't emotionally painless for the people that have it done. But it's sometimes better than the other options.
I can't say what the right option would be because no one can. But still, the unborn child has great potential. It could be the next Albert Einstein or it could be the next Adolf Hitler. I just can't grasp my head around killing it either way. I understand there are situations where rape is involved a d a choice has to be made. It certainly isn't a choice made hastily and my thoughts are with those who have to make that choice because if it was my daughter or wife with a rape baby, I would be torn.
You realize that sometimes people can be born with serious and painful conditions that could kill them easily before they are a year old. If an abortion isn't performed before birth, the parents have to watch their child die an agonizing death. Having an abortion is still somewhat traumatic for them, but there is a difference between having an embryo removed from your uterus and having to see your baby die in pain and agony.
if that is the case abortion is ok. not with a healthy baby
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You do realize abortion is murder, right? Downvote me all you like, you're killing children. And, really, all you have to do is try not to get pregnant. I understandd in the case of rape or something similar, but if it was your own fault, then you should either keep the baby or put it up for adoption.
You do realize that it isn't, right ?
Someone is considered alive when their brain is on. ( I forgot the technical terms ) and when it is off, they're dead. That's when doctors know when someone is dead or not. So before the brain develops the baby is not technically alive. When the sperm hits the egg it does not magically form a baby lickity split. That's why you're pregnant for 9 months.
ALSO, idk if this is true I heard it a few years ago, pregnancy is the leading cause of death among teenage girls. And if parents are too stupid to not teach safe sex then why should the kids get stuck with the aftermath ?
Essentially, it's technically true. However, the sperm and egg were also living. It's more accurate to say that cellular division begins at conception, but that's not exactly catchy. In fact, it's only microscopic life at that exact point, unicellular at that very specific single moment. It's like algae.
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Yeah sorry guest not just religon. Broad and far reaching scientific consensus on this topic. To argue otherwise is moronic.
It is living, that's for sure. Yet, humanity has shown that the fact that it's living doesn't always change whether we end its life or not. However, just because we are ending its life doesn't make us the mindless killers you may think we are. Almost all people that get an abortion usually have sorrow over it. Possibly even regret. But they do it because they know it could be worse, such as not being able to give a good life for a child they weren't ready to have, or having to relive a traumatic experience whenever they see their child. They might even end up hating their child and hating themselves for it.
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Agreed. So the question is not when life starts but when it is appropriate to end it.
it is a life. once they are conceived, they are living. only abortion should be in a case of rape. and in the first month. why do it in the3rd trimester? the baby could actually be born and live at that point
So guest if its a life your worried about isn't en egg or sperm alive? Are you a man or a woman? have you fertilised every egg or have your used every ejaculation to make a baby? If not then by your standard and logic your as much a "baby" killer. Go do some ACTUAL Scientific research because what your saying now is just moronic rhetoric. Also If you so against abortions how about you go and foster one of the THOUSANDS of unwanted children from UNWANTED pregnancies, most of which will never get a proper family or live in terrible situations.
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It's fucking murder, you assholes. If it has the potential to be a child then killing it is the same as carving a chunk out of your kid's own brain with a knife.
Well, all the unicellular organisms have potential to evolve and become something very similar to humans. Does that mean we should do our best to keep them all alive ?
Because if you really think that someone being forced to have a child, then either raise that child when you aren't ready or give it up to be adopted along with SOO MANY other kids who more than likely will not be adopted and know the love of parents, because you believe that something that small and underdeveloped has more of a right to life than a person who has only been alive for so long and could go on to be the scientist that cures cancer or lengthens life significantly. Because let's say Becky likes science. She wants to go to college and help the worlds people. Then she gets pregnant from a one night stand, or a missed pill or broken condom. Should she have to throw her future away ( or halt it ) because some people want a tiny embryo to grow to a full sized baby even when they probably will never meet that baby
... wait...
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Some people are too young to carry and give birth to a baby without losing a lot of opportunities in their life. Some people just can't handle it, for health reasons or whatever. Maybe they can't afford the baby. And that's fine.
Would you rather a child grow up in a family unable to provide for it? Would you rather it becomes an "accident" that the parent is unwilling to care for? That's how child abuse happens. Do you want that?
And there are already millions of children in foster care already. Why add to that number?
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Let it be.
No.
Are you any way connected to the embryo?
No.
So there for it is in fact none of your damn business what someone else does with their body. And it should honestly just be left at that.
Sometimes fetus, but only when it's a medical necessity.
In an almost total majority of cases, embryo.
It's embryo, and there's no reason to call it anything else.
Someone is considered alive when their brain is on. ( I forgot the technical terms ) and when it is off, they're dead. That's when doctors know when someone is dead or not. So before the brain develops the baby is not technically alive. When the sperm hits the egg it does not magically form a baby lickity split. That's why you're pregnant for 9 months.
ALSO, idk if this is true I heard it a few years ago, pregnancy is the leading cause of death among teenage girls. And if parents are too stupid to not teach safe sex then why should the kids get stuck with the aftermath ?
When has science ever stated that life begins at conception ?
Because if you really think that someone being forced to have a child, then either raise that child when you aren't ready or give it up to be adopted along with SOO MANY other kids who more than likely will not be adopted and know the love of parents, because you believe that something that small and underdeveloped has more of a right to life than a person who has only been alive for so long and could go on to be the scientist that cures cancer or lengthens life significantly. Because let's say Becky likes science. She wants to go to college and help the worlds people. Then she gets pregnant from a one night stand, or a missed pill or broken condom. Should she have to throw her future away ( or halt it ) because some people want a tiny embryo to grow to a full sized baby even when they probably will never meet that baby